[01/15/98 - This is the transcript of the press conference held at 1:30 p.m. CST today by State Rep. Charles Key, revealing new evidence in the Oklahoma City bombing -- foreknowledge on the part of Congressman Ernest Istook, and the involvement of a sect of Muslim fundamentalists operating in Oklahoma City. The conference was carried live on KTOK Radio AM 1000 in Oklahoma City. Please pardon any typos. This transcript was prepared in a great hurry. -- Michele]
JERRY BOHNEN (News Director KTOK Radio): ...information he says there was prior knowledge about the bombing. Live now, here's KTOK's Kim Edwards.
KIM EDWARDS (KTOK Reporter): Jerry, a throng of national and local media have gathered around the Survivor Tree in downtown Oklahoma City, preparing to hear what testimony Representative Charles Key is prepared to offer. Right now, Glenn Wilburn's widow is at the podium, and she is speaking to the press about her experiences with the grand jury investigation that is looking into the possibility that the government had prior knowledge of the April 19th, 1995 bombing. After she is done speaking, Representative Charles Key will come up to the podium and he will release what he says is new damaging evidence that the government did know, prior to April 19th, that a bomb was going to go off at the Murrah Building here in downtown Oklahoma City. Again, right now, Kathy Wilburn, Glenn Wilburn's widow, who was... Glenn Wilburn was crucial in getting this grand jury started. She is now at the podium speaking. Jerry, back to you.
BOHNEN: Okay, Kim. Now, based on information and such from the Key investigation and their committee, I've spoken with the two witnesses that they brought on hand... I understand, at least, are to be on hand for the announcement today -- a couple of Oklahoma County Reserve Sheriff's Deputies. They have a story to tell about what was told them the night of the bombing, statements made by at least an Oklahoma Congressman and an individual who was accompanying the Congressman to the scene of the Murrah Building -- indications of prior knowledge about the bombing and perhaps an indication of at least a bomb threat that had been made some ten days before the April 19th, 1995 bombing. And again, this information being gathered by State Representative Charles Key. Kim, let's listen to who is speaking at this point now.
EDWARDS: Right now, Kathy Wilburn is still on the stand... or still at the podium and then Representative Charles Key is standing behind her with a crowd of other people associated with the bombing investigation. Several of his investigators are there with him. And there are representatives from virtually all of the local media outlets as well as CNN and the Fox News Channel. A crowd of spectators has come away from the fence now and is also gathering around listening to what Kathy Wilburn has to say. Again, you talked about the deputies that say they have new information and they are there with Charles Key as well. I'm having some problems hearing you, Jerry, and I'm going to toss back to you for just a moment while I fix my audio problems at this end. And again, Kathy Wilburn is still speaking at the podium as we speak.
BOHNEN: Okay. While Kim clarifies that... The two deputies apparently were on guard duty the night of the bombing. I've interviewed them last night and the interview was embargoed until now while they are preparing the news conference. And what their story is , is that one of them was on guard duty in front of the Water Resources Board when an Oklahoma Congressman approached them and happened to be talking about what happened... you know, earlier in the day, and the Congressman said, "Yeah, we knew this was going to happen. We blew it." There was apparently some right-wing, fundamentalist Muslim sect in Oklahoma City and the Sheriff's deputy made the comment, "I beg your pardon? What did you say?" "Yeah, we knew it was going to happen. We blew it." And at the same time, another reserve deputy was escorting one of the Congressman's aides around and at that point the aide told the reserve deputy that, "Yeah, Congressman indicated that there had been an April 9th bomb threat made to the federal building." Apparently no documentation can verify or support the claims, but certainly these are two long-time members of the Oklahoma County Sheriff's Reserve who tell me that they've been haunted for the past two- and-a-half years by what they knew, that they said they've talked freely about it with other Oklahoma County Sheriff's deputies, indicating that whenever they would see news media coverage of the government denying any prior knowledge, they would almost laugh about it and say, "Well, we know of at least one individual who had supposed prior knowledge." Let's see if KTOK's Kim Edwards has his monitoring problem rectified.
EDWARDS: Yes, I do, Jerry, and you're exactly right. The deputies do say that they were haunted by this, knowing that at least one government official claims he knew that this was going to happen, and then that's why they finally decided to come forward. And apparently they will talk today and hopefully answer questions about why they waited and what exactly they heard from Representative Ernest Istook on the night of April 19th. Again, Representative Istook apparently -- or according to Oklahoma County Reserve Deputies -- said that he knew this was going to happen and talked about a bomb threat that had been called in on April the 9th and also claimed to have knowledge of a right-wing, fundamentalist Muslim group working in Oklahoma City. What we can tell you right now: at the podium, Kathy Wilburn, the widow of Glenn Wilburn, who was instrumental in getting the Oklahoma County grand jury to investigate prior knowledge of the bombing. She is talking to reporters and others that have gathered here at the bomb site about her experiences since the day of April 18th. She is joined by Representative Charles Key who is about to step forward to the podium. And let's go now live to the podium to cover the comments made by Representative Charles Key.
CHARLES KEY (State Representative): No one of us, and no one, would have ever wanted anything to have happened that happened here two-and-a-half years ago or the ordeal that we've gone through to simply find the truth. As we've seen with the deadlocked jury recently in Denver, it's obvious that there is much more to this case than what some in the government want us to know about. But the government refuses to admit that there were other murders and we know that there were.
Why do they refuse to admit that and why do they refuse to continue to look for them? Why has it been so difficult to get answers to the questions? Why have we been fought every step of the way in an unprecedented manner? When Glenn and I and Kathy and Edye and many others began this quest more than two years ago, we had a lot of questions, and we've had a lot of those questions answered since then. With these two witnesses coming forward today, we hope that many more questions will begin to be answered.
In October, Don Hammonds [sp?] and David Kulkendorfer [sp?] came to us... contacted my office, I should say. It took us several weeks of playing phone tag before we could finally make contact. And just approximately six weeks ago we got together, sat down, and talked to them and heard their story -- the same story you're going to hear in just a few minutes. These men are very courageous. They're telling just the truth, just what they know, and we think that people deserve to know what the truth is. And the grand jury has had this information passed to them and they'll hear this testimony and see their sworn affidavits in the very near future. So I want to introduce right now to you David and Don. They'll tell their stories. After they finish, I'll come up and make a few comments, and then after that time, all of us will be glad to field any questions. So I'll introduce to you David at this time.
DAVID KULKENDORFER [sp?] (Oklahoma County Sheriff's Reserve Deputy): Hello. Can you hear me okay? My name is David Kulkendorfer [sp?] and I'm an insurance agent in Oklahoma City by occupation. I'm also a reserve for the Oklahoma County Sheriff's office, a reserve deputy, which is my public service. And during the day of the bombing, I was on South Shields heading north to an appointment when I saw a plume of smoke go up. I was at the intersection of S.E. 66th and Shields. At that time, I knew something bad happened. By the black smoke, I thought possibly an oil tanker or something exploded. And by the direction of the smoke, I said, "That's right downtown and something is wrong. They're going to need some help." So I got on the phone and called my office and told them to cancel my appointment, that I wasn't going to be in. I said, "There is something going on in the city and I'm going to check." I think that was my responsibility as a reserve.
When I got here... I got here about 9:30 and it was very chaotic, obviously most of you know. So I just basically started to help and tried to do what I could do to be of assistance. I wound up down at the northwest corner of the building, and I entered the building at that point and worked my way through the building looking for survivors, calling out to see if anybody could hear me. And I worked my way along with an Oklahoma City police officer and an FBI agent. We worked our way to the seventh floor. And at that time, we were heading west to east on the seventh floor and a fireman came from the other direction and said, "You don't need to go that way. I've already cleared it."
So we were in the hallway heading back to go down the stairway, and on the south side of the building we could see people running, scattering. We kind of looked at each other and said, "Well, what's going on?" And we heard, "A bomb! There's another bomb! Get out of the building!" So we immediately gathered ourselves and ran to the stairway and started down the stairs. And as we were going down the stairs, this lady police officer, she stepped on some debris and twisted her ankle so we basically had to carry her the rest of the way. As we left the building, the FBI agent picked up her up and carried her to the safe area. Well, after the "all clear," I came back up and I said, "Well, what I need to do is I need to get organized and get in uniform." So I called my wife and told her, "Call the office. I'm not coming back today. Get my uniform. I'll meet you at the Sheriff's Office." I met her at the Sheriff's Office and changed clothes and came back and pretty well just tried to do what I could do. We went into the building continuing with the search and rescue. Well, that went on throughout the day.
Then that evening, when the rains came, we'd pretty well backed off and we went to our command post and got rain gear, came back out after the rain. And I was pretty well working the northwest corner when I was approached by a U.S. Marshal and said, "We got the building. The fire department turned it over to us. This is now a federal crime scene. We need to secure the area. Nobody comes in except...." He said, "Keep all non-essentials out." I said, "What's non-essential?" And he said, "The only ones to come in are the search and rescue and law enforcement." I said, "Okay." So, basically that was my responsibility from that point on, to keep everybody out.
Well, later on, during the evening, a lot of public officials started to show up. The mayor showed up with a contingency, and the district attorney, the governor, and several dignitaries. I was standing approximately in front of the Water Resources Building, to try to keep people out and watching the search and rescue. As I looked to my left, I could see Congressman Istook kind of working his way east to west. Well, he worked his way up to me and he stopped to my left and introduced himself and we kind of small-talked a little bit about, "How's everything? It's a bad, bad, bad deal."
And he made the comment to me, he says, "Yeah, we knew this was going to happen."
And I said, "Excuse me?"
And he says, "Yeah, we knew this was going to happen. We got word through our sources that there is a radical fundamental Islamic group in Oklahoma City and that they were going to bomb the federal building."
And I didn't say anything because I really had nothing to say. But a little bit of small talk later, he kind of looked at me and said, "What department are you with?"
He came over in front of me, and at that time I had a raincoat on and my campaign hat from the county. He looked at the emblem on the campaign hat.
And I said, "Well, I'm a deputy with the Oklahoma County Sheriff's Office."
And he said, "Oh! I thought you were with the Highway Patrol," and immediately stopped talking and turned around and walked away.
And really, the reason I haven't said anything to this point... Don and I have talked about it every time we were on duty, and I thought, "Since the grand jury was in session, I'm sure this information is going to come out. It's got to. Because I'm sure if he made a comment to me, other people know also."
And this last fair, when Don and I were working, we got to discussing it again, and Don said, "Well, let me do this." He said, "Let me call Representative Key anonymously and tell him what we have to say, and if they want to hear us, fine; if they don't, fine. But at least we'll know either they know it or they don't." So he called Representative Key and through telephone tag we finally made an appointment and we basically said what we had to say. And later, Representative Key called us back for another appointment... another conference and said, "We need to take this to another level." He said, "What you have to say is very important." So that's why we're here. And like I said, that's all I know. I don't know the befores, the afters, or the what fors. All I know is this is what was said to me and that's what I'm repeating to you.
DON HAMMONDS: [sp?] (Oklahoma County Sheriff's Reserve Deputy): My name is Don Hammonds and I'm a businessman and I've also been a reserve deputy with Oklahoma County since 1992. And I'm just going to jump in right kind of where Dave... where we were working together on the northwest side. And our job was to also give people coming in, like the mayor and stuff like that, hard hats and make sure they had hard hats, and also not to let anybody take pictures.
I noticed a lady back behind me by a back hoe over there taking pictures. I went up there and approached her and told her that, you know, "You can't take pictures here, ma'am." And she identified herself as an attorney, Lanney... Lana Tyree [sp?], and she was with Ernest Istook. She said they were friends and she was an amateur photographer and that she was taking pictures for Ernest Istook.
So I agreed to let her come on in, but I told her she had to make sure she took pictures of... up, and no facial shots of anybody because they were photo sensitive. So she was... I was with her as she was taking pictures of the building and stuff like that. And she made a comment to me that Istook told her that they were aware of a bomb threat since April 9th, and that's all she said to me.
That's the kind of stuff that... after it all happened... I mean, you didn't really think much about it until this grand jury and stuff stated probing into it and people were claiming that there wasn't any prior knowledge. I started thinking about it and got with Dave, and we put two and two together. I mean, hey! Somebody knew about a prior bomb threat. This ought to be known. And you know, I was given a date -- April 9th -- that they knew about it, ten days before. And you know...
So we feel like, you know, it's only fair that everyone knows the truth that there is... you know, what's going on and who else knows about this. Thank you.
CHARLES KEY: Again, we'll take questions here in just a moment, but I guess some final thoughts are that we've had a lot of information. It's been a long process that we've been through, and it's probably still got a long ways to go. We've had a lot of people contact us with information, and I'm sure, and I understand the county grand jury, now that the two trials are over, they've had a lot of information come forward. And I can say to you that there will be more very significant, dynamic information like this come forward in the future. This is just the first of some major revelations that prove what Glenn Wilburn said quite a number of months ago, and that he was right -- that there was significant prior knowledge. And there are those that know that.
And I want to take this time to call again on people that do know information to come forward, take it to the grand jury. You can get it to our organization if you'd like. Because the truth needs to be told. It deserves to be told. And many people may be implicated because of their silence and their lack of action in regard to this. The people of this State and of this city and of this country deserve to know the truth.
There is no reason why you can't just lay all of the facts and the truth out about this case or any other case and let justice find its way through what the truth and what the facts are. And that's all we want. That's all most people want. And I can't think of any reason why that can't be done in this case.
Again, we've had so much trouble. We've been fought in an unprecedented way, at every turn and every step.
JERRY BOHNEN: You've been listening to a live coverage on KTOK -- a news conference held by State Representative Charles Key revealing the testimony or the claims of two Oklahoma County Reserve Deputy Sheriffs, that Congressman Ernest Istook told them the night of the bombing, "We knew this was going to happen, we blew it." So far, no comment from Congressman Ernest Istook, but we'll have him. He'll be joining us live at 4:15 p.m. on the KTOK Afternoon Report. We're eleven minutes away from two o'clock. Live from the KTOK News Center, I'm Jerry Bohnen.
[KTOK interview - 01/15/98 - Congressman Ernest Istook responds to the revelations of Charles Key's press conference. Transcript begins shortly after the start of the interview (sorry about that):]
ERNEST ISTOOK (U.S. Representative from Oklahoma): --to publicize such false and outrageous claims that are just a bunch of garbage.
JERRY BOHNEN (New Director, KTOK Radio AM 1000): But did you talk with any deputies that night? Do you recall specifically?.
ISTOOK: I talked with lots of people, just like all of us did. All of us were talking about-- among ourselves, talking about, you know, what's going on. The news media, KTOK, as I say, in particular, was broadcasting stories about the possibility that this might be a spread of Arab terrorism. So frankly, Jerry, you were one of the ones that were working on stories and the fact that people were talking about those stories is not the same as claiming now that people were saying they had advanced knowledge of the bombing of the Murrah Building.
I certainly didn't. I know of nobody in government that had any advanced knowledge. The only people that I know who had advanced knowledge of the Murrah Building bombing were Terry Nichols and Timothy McVeigh, the people who have been convicted of their involvement. If there's more people, then let's let the grand jury and District Attorney Bob Macy get to the bottom of it, and let's do what I'm doing. Every time there's any way that I can cooperate with any sort of investigation that relates to this, I'm doing it. But you don't do it by just jumping on rumor mills and trying to publicize rumors rather than cooperating with law enforcement.
BOHNEN: In this case, I've talked to Lana Tyree [sp?], the attorney that one reserve deputy says he had a brief conversation with her, and he felt that she came on into the bomb site with you, but Ms. Tyree says no, she was there independently as a photographer and that she was there already before you arrived.
ISTOOK: Well, that's correct. She was there also that evening. There was, as you know, hundreds of people on the scene that evening. And I think you can tell your listeners what I know Ms. Tyree has told you, that I never made any such claim that they are now trying to say that, well, she said that Istook said such-and-such, and she said no such thing. I'll tell you, Jerry, there's some people that are just trying to build rumor upon rumor, innuendo upon innuendo, and it's hurting. It's draining the resources that need to go into the investigation of the prosecution of the people that were actually involved, rather than taking up the time of investigators chasing down false statements such as were publicized today. I really take insult that these false statements were made about me today.
BOHNEN: Representative Istook, I appreciate the time. Thank you very much, sir.
ISTOOK: Thank you, Jerry.
Transcript: KTOK interview -- 01/15/98 - Response of Congressman Ernest Istook, Attorney Lana Tyree, and Governor Frank Keating to the revelations of Charles Key's press conference.
JERRY BOHNEN (News Director, KTOK Radio AM 1000): Good afternoon. Another step in the investigation of the bombing by State Representative Charles Key.
CHARLES KEY (State Representative): With these two witnesses coming forward today, we hope that many more questions will begin to be answered.
BOHNEN: This, at an afternoon news conference to announce the testimony of two reserve deputies from Oklahoma who claim an Oklahoma Congressman had prior knowledge of the Murrah Bombing. The county reserve deputies claim Oklahoma Congressman Ernest Istook revealed the night of the Oklahoma City bombing the government had been warned about the possible attack.
Reserve Deputy David Kulkendorfer [sp?] recalls standing on guard duty in front of the Murrah Building and talking with the Congressman, and he says apparently another Reserve Deputy, Don Hammonds, escorted attorney Lana Tyree [sp?] who came to the bomb site with the Congressman as well.
Both men stepped forward recently and told their story to State Representative Charles Key who heads the investigation of the bombing. Both Istook and Tyree deny it, and Tyree is the attorney who spent time as an Oklahoma City bombing site photographer. She says the two reserve deputies are confused in believing she had information about threats before the building was bombed. The deputies say Tyree was at the site the night of the bombing and accompanied Istook. She says, no, but snapped some pictures of him with rescuers.
LANA TYREE (Attorney): Congressman Istook told me that he appreciated it. I said, "How are things going?" He said, "Fine." We just basically small-talked for a moment and that was it.
BOHNEN: But one deputy claims Tyree told him Istook had said there had been a bomb threat ten days before the bombing. Tyree says this story is absurd. Key's repeated statements suggesting the government might have been tipped off to the bombing could be getting him close to a legislative censure - so suggests Governor Frank Keating today, who says he can't understand why Representative Key continues to suggest the government knowingly allowed the bombing to happen.
FRANK KEATING (Governor of Oklahoma): It's bizarre and absurd, and completely contrary to human nature.
BOHNEN: And the governor praises Key's efforts, though, to identify others involved in the bombing plot.
KTOK interview - 01/15/98:
ERNEST ISTOOK: (Congressman from Oklahoma): Garbage!
JERRY BOHNEN: (News Director, KTOK Radio AM 1000): Good evening. It's what Congressman Ernest Istook said today about the latest Oklahoma City bombing story from State Representative Charles Key and his investigation. He denies the claims of two reserve sheriff's deputies. The two say they were told two years ago by Congressman Istook the government knew of the bomb threats against the federal building. Deputy David Kulkendorfer [sp?] says Representative Istook told him the night of the bombing, as the two stood in front of the Murrah Building:
DAVID KULKENDORFER [sp?] (Reserve Sheriff's Deputy): He said, "Yeah, we knew this was going to happen," and then he started to elaborate. He said that their sources-- I can't remember the exact terminology, but it was their sources, were aware of a Muslim fundamentalist right-wing group in Oklahoma City, and that they were to bomb the federal building.
BOHNEN: Another reserve deputy, Don Hammonds, escorted attorney Lana Tyree who reportedly came to the site with Istook. She was snapping pictures.
DON HAMMONDS [sp?] (Reserve Sheriff's Deputy): She just was saying that Istook said that they were aware of a bomb threat since April 9th, and the reason I remember April 9th so well is because right away I went, you know, the 19th and 9th, and there was a ten-day gap, and you can remember that ten days so easy. And I thought, "Man, they had ten days' prior knowledge of this."
BOHNEN: The two reserve officers say they've been haunted for two years about what they heard the night of the bombing. They recently met with investigators for Charles Key and told their story. As for the Oklahoma City attorney, Tyree, she says it is absurd. She tells me she didn't tell any deputy Istook had told her of an April 9th bomb threat to the building.
LANA TYREE [sp?] (Attorney): Well, the deputy is apparently confused. The facts that he stated are not correct.
BOHNEN: She had credentials to be an independent photographer for law officers and rescuers, but says no one ever told her the government had any warning of the attack. She says the two deputies are confused.
JERRY BOHNEN (News Director, KTOK Radio AM 1000): Garbage! It's what Congressman Ernest Istook is saying today about some of the investigation revelations by State Representative Charles Key into the Oklahoma City bombing. First a report from KTOK's Kim Edwards about the claims of Representative Key.
KIM EDWARDS (KTOK News Reporter): In an afternoon news conference set in the shadow of the Survivor Tree, Charles Key praised two witnesses that are willing to testify U.S. Representative Ernest Istook had prior knowledge of the Oklahoma City bombing.
CHARLES KEY (State Representative): These men are very courageous, they're telling just the truth, just what they know, and we think that people deserve to know what the truth is.
EDWARDS: The witnesses are Oklahoma County Reserve Deputies, David Kortzendorfer [sp?] and Don Hammonds [sp?]. They were both on duty at the Murrah Building the night of April 19th after the bombing occurred. Kortzendorfer says Istook told him point-blank, quote, "We knew this was going to happen. We blew it." Hammonds says he talked to Attorney Lana Tyree [sp?]. She told him Istook was aware of a bomb threat since April the 9th. Ernest Istook denies the allegations, as does Tyree.
I'm Kim Edwards, KTOK News.
BOHNEN: Indeed, Congressman Istook calls the allegations "garbage," and KTOK's Bill Bateman reports from the Congressman's offices.
BILL BATEMAN (KTOK News Reporter): Congressman Ernest Istook says Representative Charles Key has hurt his caused by making irresponsible and erroneous statements today. He's referring to a news conference earlier in the day in which Key claimed Istook said there was prior knowledge of the Oklahoma City bombing. Istook says he's not part of any conspiracy of silence about the bombing. He says he's insulted by today's remarks. Istook says he's been friends with Charles Key for years, and all Key would have had to have done is pick up the phone in the last two-and-a-half years and ask him if there was any advanced warning. He says that never happened. At Congressman Istook's office, I'm Bill Bateman, KTOK News.
BOHNEN: And attorney Lana Tyree [sp?] makes the same claims, denying she ever had any information about the prior knowledge and that bomb threats were made before the bombing. Two reserve deputies again say Tyree told one of them the night of the bombing that Istook had said there had been a bomb threat ten days earlier.
LANA TYREE (Attorney): Nobody, any time, anywhere, ever related to me any knowledge of any bomb threats at any time.
BOHNEN: And she says the deputies are confused. Tyree [sp?] says she was an independent photographer and credentialed for the bomb site and was there when Representative Istook arrived. The deputies said Tyree arrived with Istook. But Tyree says she only took a few pictures for the Congressman.
Transcript - 01/15/98 - KTOK Radio, Oklahoma City: Charles Key Responds to Congressman Ernest Istook:
JERRY BOHNEN (News Director, KTOK Radio AM 1000): State Representative Charles Key made another advancement in his bombing investigation today, presenting two reserve county sheriff's deputies who claim they were told the night of the bombing by Congressman Ernest Istook the government knew of the coming attack. Representative Key, the Congressman denies it, calls it garbage, and so does attorney Lana Tyree [sp?] who was also named in the claims of the deputies. Any reaction about that?
CHARLES KEY (State Representative): Well, I guess on the one hand it is to be expected. It's unfortunate that this had to happen like this, but it's -- the fact is, these two gentlemen - and I have to emphasize the word "gentlemen," very credible individuals - came forward and they had sworn affidavits. They are willing to go before the grand jury. They have nothing to gain and everything to lose by doing this. And their statements are as true, I believe, as they say they are, word for word.
BOHNEN: I talked to Lana Tyree [sp?] and to the Congressman. Both believe-- I think Lana Tyree more than the Congressman perhaps-- that the deputies are simply confused about what they heard and the order of how they heard it and things like that.
KEY: Well, I've heard some of the responses on some of the media accounts so far, and what's always interesting to me is when you have Congressman Istook or others who have responded to things like this, that they like to say time affects their memory and they are misunderstanding now. You know, it always is a one-way street.
Their memory is affected, but Congressman Istook's is not. When he says things like I've had these people make false statements, that's absolutely ludicrous. These people came to us. We were very careful in how we handled their testimony.
So, you know, it's always a one-way street on these kind of deals. And these guys are willing to take polygraphs. They're willing to go before the grand jury. And they, like I, have a whole lot to lose because of this and not much to
BOHNEN: But let me clarify something. I mean, you didn't contact the Congressman to find out, correct?
KEY: That's correct.
BOHNEN: Did you talk to Lana Tyree?
KEY: No, I didn't.
BOHNEN: Why not?
KEY: Well, frankly, after everything that weve-- I think the best way to understand and answer that is for people to understand everything that we've been through. We've been viciously and personally attacked from the very beginning, and misrepresented in many cases along the way. And I didn't expect to have the kind of response that you would want to have. I think the response-- What I mean by that is I would expect somebody like the Congressman or Lana Tyree on the one hand to possibly deny this. They had their opportunity to say what they believe was the truth, or what they want to represent as being the truth, and I think it just needs to be left there and let the grand jury look at it.
BOHNEN: In other words-- I have a question then about your role and the investigators and such and what you're trying to do. I mean, should there be some quality control over what you're finding and what you're trying to present to the grand jury? Do you feel maybe you shouldn't have to actually investigate and verify or give more credence to the claims of some of the people who are coming to you with their stories?
KEY: Well, the bottom line, Jerry, is that there is quality control, and we have gone very thoroughly over what these people and everything else that we've done. Quality control in my opinion would not include going to the Congressman, as in this case, or the attorney Lana Tyree, and if they would have responded and said, "No, we didn't make those statements," then we don't bring it before the grand jury. On the contrary, I think it goes before the grand jury anyway. That's the proper way to do it.
BOHNEN: And the Governor today making a statement as well that he thinks you're flirting with legislative censuring.
KEY: Well, the Governor makes a lot of statements without thinking. The Governor has said a lot of things about this bombing case that will come back to haunt him. And he needs to show a little restraint about what he says in these kinds of situations because there's a lot of evidence out there that is going to continue to prove and back up the fact that there was prior knowledge. You know, you have about 500 people who are victims, family members and survivors of the bombing, who have signed on and have the opinion that there was sufficient prior knowledge on the government's part, or they should have had sufficient prior knowledge because of the information they had. That is a huge amount of people, compared to those that are represented by the Governor and others from time to time as being survivors and family members that are on the opposite side of the fence on this issue. There is a huge discrepancy, but it's on the favor of those that say there are serious problems with the government's case, and they'll continue to back up their side of the story.
BOHNEN: Final note here. You're not finished with all of this. You say you're going to have some more very dramatic or serious revelations in the coming weeks?
KEY: Yes, there will be more like this, and some might even say they're more dynamic than this revelation today. And the information that we know about continues to convince us even more than we've ever been convinced before that this is a significant cover-up of prior knowledge of a sting operation that went wrong and there's a lot of people covering their hind-sides to keep that from coming out, but it is coming out.
BOHNEN: Representative Charles Key, thank you for your time.
KEY: Thank you.
BOHNEN: We're at twenty minutes past five on the KTOK Afternoon Report.
Posted here January 17, 1998
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